I prefer worm piles to not be destructible at all

They're already destructible even in vanilla. With a WormBlood implant you can destroy them with your teeth.

allowing the player to wrench them to death is the definition of boring

You might want to actually try that and see what happens.

keeping them indestructable preserves worm ammo counts for new players whom have no idea about any proliferator worm gun thing until much later.

Destroyed worm piles regenerate after five minutes.

I prefer worm piles to not be destructible at all, they're supposed to be floor hazards and allowing the player to wrench them to death is the definition of boring degenerate gameplay. I allowed fire and anti-annelid damage to kill them as a compromise, essentially just for random scenarios where a grenade, fusion blast, or exotic weapon explosion happens to include a worm pile in its radius. I don't anticipate players will bother spending resources to kill them, it's just a minor concession to AoE weapons.

-Worm piles cannot be destroyed by most damage types (only incendiary and anti-annelid)

Annelid worm: Dies to wrench and bullets and harsh language.
Smaller, weaker, immobile worms: INVULNERABLE

You sure you thought this through?

Worm piles are such a non-threat that the only reason SCP makes them killable is because they should be killable. As worm research says, "they're so easily killed it hardly matters".

So tacking on specific requirements to kill worm piles doesn't make lore sense and misses the point of them, which is that they're only a threat when not noticed. Even in unmodded SCP I expect most people will rarely if ever bother shooting them, because just walking around them is easy and costs nothing. They're so trivial a threat that they're, on average, worth less than a bullet. Raising their destruction requirement above the level of a bullet eliminates this calculus, pushing their destruction completely into "not worth it, ever" territory. Boring.

It's unfortunately not yet compatible, I've been away from my main PC for about a month. I have a beta version I will upload soon to test for SCPb5 compatibility.

Huh, I skimmed the change notes and didn't see that mentioned.

That is apparently because I never mentioned it in the changelist. Will fix that in the next update...

I actually did that already, psi mine damage is now 5*PSI. Same as the original 30 damage at PSI 6, but can be pushed higher. I just noticed that I didn't actually enable overloading up to PSI 11 like with the other projectiles, though...

ZylonBane
Oh that's cool!

Here is the horrible mess I was using before...


function GetStatString(sVal, dVal)
{
local strText = Data.GetString("misc", "StatReq", "Item requires %s of %d");
local s = strText.find("%s");
strText = strText.slice(0, s) + sVal + strText.slice(s + 2);
local d = strText.find("%d");
strText = strText.slice(0, d) + dVal + strText.slice(d + 2);
return strText;
}


ZylonBane
I can certainly see that.

ZylonBane
Let's have Beta 5 out and THEN deal with this stuff. As sarge said, 6 goddamn years have passed. At this point not using it is dumb, because Beta 5's release is questionable. And really, scp should be in engineering too. It's "beta" 4. Betas are "pre-release builds of software that may contain bugs or performance issues"

The real problem here is that Rick automaps ... are in the wrong subforums

Wrong. The Rick automaps package was never intended as a standalone mod. It was created to be integrated into SCP, which it has been.

When people install it as its own mod, it WILL create situations in the future where some dummkopf has both SCP Beta 5 and that package installed, fucking things all up because it overwrites SCP's Rickenbacker mission files with outdated versions. Or you'll have people installing it without SCP, fucking things up even more.

Is it best if I avoid this mod, then? RoSoDude might know SS2 well enough to avoid any glitches this mod causes, but I'm sure to walk into the first glitch and crash the game.

Nahhh, don't worry about it. The conflict warning is just because Rickenbacker automaps replaces the SCP Rickenbacker mis files with updated versions containing automaps. I know several dozen people who have played with it, with no issues reported particular to the Rickenbacker levels. RSD's changes are still perfectly compatible because the object references are all the same.

Obviously you shouldn't be reporting bugs to SCP on the basis of a further modified game, but that's already out the window with RSD and the other mods! Even if there were any issues, I'd want to know I can fix it and make my mod(s) compatible.

A mod in the Engineering subforum is still a mod, just because it's not officially sanctioned by the community here doesn't mean it's not a modification of the game that can be installed at the user's risk (like any mod, only that the risk may be higher). Come on now.

It's. Not. A. Mod.

A zipped up bunch of files isn't a mod until it's moved here and formally declared a mod. Until then, it's just a bunch of zipped up files that you're shoving into your game, and god help you.

Someone for damn sure best not be recommending people install anything from the Engineering forum. There's a reason everything there isn't here in the Modifications forum. We already have a hard enough time keeping people's installs straight and up to date with officially released mods, without having to worry about loons scraping unfinished projects from Engineering.

Sarge, thanks for the info.

RoSoDude, thanks mate. A couple of those I wasn't aware of, though I won't be using Inventory Fumbler. - I am clumsy enough in real life 

I've meant to try this for a while, but never gotten around to it, so now's the perfect time!

This is my SS2 mod setup:

I think you're the first person I've seen so far still using one of the individual coloured laser rapier versions.

Also your installation of Scary Monsters is outdated (but it's disabled anyway)

You need to put the rebirth version of RealSG (Rebirth GFX Shotgun in your case) above Rebirth itself.

Sarge's Randomiser (another mod I've yet to play) has just been updated, would that work with your mod too?

Yes, use the compatibility addon on the randomiser page.

Small update for some basic fixes, more worthwhile Recreation A power cell use, and reworked melee bonuses.

#### 2.03 ####
-Fixed compatibility issues when with Pistol Hybrid (load SS2-RSD above)
-Fixed bug allowing 1 portable battery to charge a stack of empty batteries instead of one at a time
-Fixed softwares not being able to be put into containers
-Fixed chemicals not being able to be put into containers
-Fixed destroyed proximity grenades dealing 30 damage instead of intended 20 damage
-Fixed psi pull items not being able to be picked up when very close
-Repaired turrets start at 29%->50% HP [SS2 Repairman mod only, now compatible with Sarge's Randomizer]
-Refined Med/Sci 1 maintenance tool psi pull placement
-Removed debug logspam from Engineering
-Removed debug file logspam from egg loot
-Changed Strength 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 melee damage bonus from 0/1/2/3/4/6/10/15 to -1/0/1/3/6/10/15/21
-Increased Adrenaline Overproduction melee damage bonus from +1 base damage to +2 base damage per PSI
-Increased Cerebro-Energetic Extension duration from 10s per PSI to 10s + 10s per PSI
-Grenade Hybrids 15% chance to drop 4 grenades is now 30% chance to drop 1 grenade (loot table rolled twice)
-Recreation A power cell now powers the nearby recharging station

Regarding the assault rifle: the burst fire has been in since version 1.00 and is unlikely to change as it's generally gotten positive reception. The rifle is still better than the pistol in almost every respect. The rifle does 8 damage per shot vs the pistol's 7 damage per shot at Standard 6; the rifle has nearly twice the pistol's DPS due to having nearly double the fire rate; it has more than double the mag size for less than double the reload time. The pistol is easier to mod and maintain and you can do single shots to finish off enemies, but the assault rifle is the real powerhouse. I don't want to make the pistol any better (it's already the premier early game firearm), and the engine won't abide weapons taking up a different number of inventory slots besides. I understand your objection from a realism standpoint, but minimum burst fire for automatic weapons is common in video games, even in the same series (see System Shock's flechette and skorpion).

The powered armor drain rate is the same as vanilla, 10% charge every 50 seconds (this is double the drain rate of most implants). Despite the fact that I removed SCP's flat protection, increased the Strength requirement to 4 and gave it a higher movement speed penalty than other armors, it is still far and away the most potent and stat-efficient armor as it was in vanilla (in SCP it's the only valid choice due to the flat 20% protection), as long as you keep the charge up. Risk and reward. It's the best for Energy builds that invest in Maintenance and spend a lot of time running to and from the recharging stations, but there's now a sliver of an argument for other builds to use medium armor, heavy armor, or WormSkin armor, which I view as a win for balance. For reference, at base the powered armor will last 8m20s, while at Maintenance 6 and modded for drain rate reduction it'll last 14m49s.

I appreciate the feedback nonetheless, hopefully my reply is not too discouraging. I keep in mind what people tell me and sometimes I am led to reconsider things later. I also want you to be aware that it is pretty easy to tweak the mod to your own liking; the gamesys.dml file is pretty well documented and I am happy to offer any technical advice towards that aim regardless of my personal design vision for the mod.

RoSoDude
im about halfway through my first playthrough, great mod,really enjoying it so far. My only complaint currently is changing the assault rifles semi automatic mode to a 2 round burst. i totally get the desire to distinguish it from the pistol so they both have a utility, but id argue the fact they share an ammunition type pretty much guarantees most people will want one or the other and you should probably balance them around that fact. its also just immersion breaking as pretty much any rifle is going to have a semi automatic option, even in a sci fi setting. if you really want to make the pistol more appealing maybe cut its inventory size to 2 spaces instead of 3 or something. I don't think nerfing the endgame standard weapon is the solution

RSD is a gameplay mod, not an audio/visual mod. A/V enhancements (that can't be standalone mods) are more in SCP's domain.

Yes, they are all compatible.

voodoo47
Thanks. I'm not even that arachnophobic - I just think they look goofy in the game, even if it's justified by the lore, ha.

Is this and your 'Scary Monsters AI' mod compatible with the 'No Spiders' mod that replaces all spiders with worms? If so, what load order do you recommend? Thanks.

I encountered the power-cell-barred doorway in Engineering. Have you hidden a cell nearby?

Sounds like you didn't fully explore Med/Sci 

The power cell mechanics have been expanded across the game, it's up to you to find them and decide when you want to use them to open paths, clear hazards, or access loot caches. On Normal difficulty there's one power cell per auxiliary power unit, but on Hard/Impossible difficulty you won't have enough to power everything.

voodoo47
Hey, no worries, haha. I know we all have our own lives to lead, but you're so helpful on this website, and I just want to make sure I do it properly. 

voodoo47
Alright, thanks. I'll try it and get back to you.