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66372d8c8158cbubblybroccoli

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Thanks, Voodoo! I moved the entire game directory outside of wine to my main subset of directories to make the path as short as possible, reconfigured my wine setup, and then ran like normal, all the models have been updated. What baffles me is that only Rebirth was being affected.

66372d8c81772voodoo47

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probably just one character over the limit or something.

66372d8c818e2Jacklynn

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Is there anyway to get the original rebirth midwife model?
For whatever reason I always found that more fitting considering the role and the look of absolute horror on the face.
Also don't really see why the boob would be metal plated.

Its hard to ask without sounding like I just want to see nudity but it honestly just always felt more fitting to me. Never really understood why people found it attractive.

66372d8c81e08RocketMan

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Don't worry, I feel exactly as you do.  Exactly.  Whether that makes you feel any better is another story lol.

I'll tell you why she has metal plates over her boobs.  It's because the designers didn't want to show them.  We can only speculate what made them squeamish about that but it looks stupid to me too.  They were pretty clear in the logs that they wanted caregivers for the eggs and Nurse Bloome had the sweetness and gentleness that made her the ideal caregiver to serve as the prototype.  Now one of system shock's themes is to distort our understanding of what human is, so they peeled her face off and butchered a good half of her so she looked like an abomination.  That's fine with me.  The mechanical legs were due to the corrosive/toxic nature of the eggs and the fumes they give off IIRC.  The face was probably a creative/thematic decision.  Everything else was just censorship.

Download the original rebirth version, not the ones that have been updated here.  Then you have to pull fembot.bin/.cal and the associated textures from the txt16 folder out of that mod and overwrite those you'd find in the latest version.  It's not too hard once you have both versions.  The first one is in Kolya's post just under the main post.
« Last Edit: 24. May 2022, 16:27:42 by RocketMan »

66372d8c82019ZylonBane

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Why would cyborg midwives need breasts? You realize they weren't literally nursing the eggs, right? So they got chopped off. That's the entire point of the horror of the midwives, that everything human about them, including their free will, was stripped away except the bare essentials needed to tend to the eggs.

Some people just get personally offended at the thought of being denied bOoBs no matter what the context. It's weird.

66372d8c824a2RocketMan

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It's a plausible creative choice but I don't buy it.

The better question is, why would parameter X of an existing design need to change when it has no impact one way or the other on the task at hand?  You've heard the old adage, if it aint broke, don't fix it, right?  Should we chop off all the hybrids' dicks?  Shave their heads?  Maybe remove a spleen or appendix or wisdom tooth?

Removing skin and tissues from the body quite frankly is invasive, traumatic and detrimental to the health of the organism.  Adding steel breast plates is a waste of materials, design effort and bulk.  I could go on and on all day about how these are poor engineering choices but I didn't think that level of evidence was necessary for what was quite obviously a modesty issue. 

Also I'm convinced that because disagreement on this issue makes you a pervert by default, it's no wonder nobody said anything about the rebirth changes.  Isn't it possible that putting a steel bra on a model is just irksome in and of itself and not because, "you took my porn away!".

Some people just get personally offended at the thought of being denied bOoBs no matter what the context. It's weird.

I can answer that one for you.  It's because sex is a taboo in the west despite the superficial attempt to portray to the contrary.  People are shamed for discussing it so when bOoBs are removed, some people, who are sick and tired of living in such a schizophrenic space, feel compelled to say something about it.

I think it was Eldron who made the best version of the midwife we ever had.. pity nobody uses it.  It was authentic but even he put the boobs back on without sexualizing the overall aesthetic.
« Last Edit: 24. May 2022, 17:48:06 by RocketMan »
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66372d8c82914Jacklynn

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Why would cyborg midwives need breasts? You realize they weren't literally nursing the eggs, right? So they got chopped off. That's the entire point of the horror of the midwives, that everything human about them, including their free will, was stripped away except the bare essentials needed to tend to the eggs.

Some people just get personally offended at the thought of being denied bOoBs no matter what the context. It's weird.

I don't really understand what your personal issue is on what I deem more fitting.
I'm not 'offended' at the thought of being denied boobs, if we are being quite real here I have XX chromosomes and I am straight.

I voiced my overall view point in the most mature possible way I could.
If you want to get more into it, I don't see a personal reason to why they would metal up the boobs... they didnt remove the boobs, the model bust size didnt change at all so to me unless the stuffed more machinery in her breast I don't see why it'd be plated up.

I personally found the look of horror on her face on top of being completely stripped and degraded to be exposed solely to take care of the eggs way more fitting since there is an absolute disregard of personal morals involved when transforming her. Cutting off the face and plating up the boobs seems excessive with no general reasoning behind it.

I dont think they 'need' breast but I think if someone is rushing to transform an unwilling females suspect into a midwife caring role they aren't going to make it personal like cutting their face off.

And if I am being completely honest I never liked the hair of the original model - yes despite the portrait and who it was modeled after.

I asked a very genuine question, there is no need to be passive aggressive about it.

66372d8c82d8eJacklynn

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Don't worry, I feel exactly as you do.  Exactly.  Whether that makes you feel any better is another story lol.

I'll tell you why she has metal plates over her boobs.  It's because the designers didn't want to show them.  We can only speculate what made them squeamish about that but it looks stupid to me too.  They were pretty clear in the logs that they wanted caregivers for the eggs and Nurse Bloome had the sweetness and gentleness that made her the ideal caregiver to serve as the prototype.  Now one of system shock's themes is to distort our understanding of what human is, so they peeled her face off and butchered a good half of her so she looked like an abomination.  That's fine with me.  The mechanical legs were due to the corrosive/toxic nature of the eggs and the fumes they give off IIRC.  The face was probably a creative/thematic decision.  Everything else was just censorship.

Download the original rebirth version, not the ones that have been updated here.  Then you have to pull fembot.bin/.cal and the associated textures from the txt16 folder out of that mod and overwrite those you'd find in the latest version.  It's not too hard once you have both versions.  The first one is in Kolya's post just under the main post.

Thank you!
I tried looking for the original version even from fileplanet and moddb and just couldnt find it... cant believe it was just sitting here the entire time! xD

Also thank you for the reply! Wasn't expecting anyone to be so fast in responding.

66372d8c831f2GuyFawkesGaming

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JacklynnUm, I'm gonna warn against that. As of late fileplant has been distributing some "innova media download manager" malware crap. Besides, doesn't the latest version already have the cyborg midwifes' titties out? They're even more noticeable with this texture.

66372d8c837adJacklynn

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JacklynnUm, I'm gonna warn against that. As of late fileplant has been distributing some "innova media download manager" malware crap. Besides, doesn't the latest version already have the cyborg midwifes' titties out? They're even more noticeable with this texture.
Yeah, when looking for the file myself on fileplanet, originally my AV acted up so I deleted it and grabbed the one in the link suggested by Rocketman.

Honestly, the boobs are meh for me. I overall wanted the face back. The face on the OG Rebirth to me look a lot more fitting than the cut off face in the original game or the newer versions of Rebirth.

66372d8c8397eRocketMan

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I always assumed it was a creative decision but my god.  What is the point in ripping the face off?  How do you even try to justify that?  Do worms and swarms recoil at the sight of human females?  Maybe they're Klingon.  Again, I'm reminded of how Eldron elegantly dealt with this problem as well by making the face look as if it had some sort of necrosis going on rather than the face being quite obviously ripped off.  Having said that, while his model is in my opinion the best one, I personally prefer the Cyberblutch midwife's overall appearance.  Maybe part of that is because it looks more generic than having dozens of Bloomes walking around.  That's probably what prompted me to make a mod that used Eldron's model only for the Bloome encounter.  That way I could use the Cyberblutch model for all others.
« Last Edit: 04. June 2022, 03:52:40 by RocketMan »
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Hello, I've come across a mod called RealSG_1.05. What's the difference between that and the Rebirth edition? Can/should I use both?

66372d8c83bcdvoodoo47

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if you are using Rebirth, then use (just) the Rebirth edition.
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66372d8c84134Goodsir

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No no, if you read right above the two download links in this very page for Rebirth, it says to load RealSG with a higher priority over Rebirth, Rebirth is the meat, RealSG just adds a nice hat on top. You want a hat yes? Everyone enjoys a hat

66372d8c8427fGoodsir

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RealSG_Rebirth_1.05
SS2_Rebirth_v05a
SHTUP-ND_beta1.7 - After downloading the file it's named 1 instead of 1.7 to help with confusion
Secmod_RebirthPatch_1.04

I cant shake the feeling that none of these are the newest version.

Also which of these two is newer?  SS2_Rebirth_v05a
                                                               SS2_Rebirth_v05b

66372d8c84544ZylonBane

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SHTUP-ND_beta1.7 - After downloading the file it's named 1 instead of 1.7 to help with confusion
My god... the current filename for SHTUP is "SHTUP-ND_beta1.7z ". The "7z" is the FILE TYPE. There is no "1.7" version of SHTUP, nor is there any version that's labeled as such.

66372d8c84653voodoo47

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also, b comes after a, wonder which version is the newer one.

and Secmod Rebirth patches have been deprecated (a long time ago), if you are using that (and also other outdated bits), you are asking for trouble.
« Last Edit: 25. August 2023, 20:22:30 by voodoo47 »

66372d8c848f5Goodsir

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God your right I'm a dumbass, I was looking at the download link when I said that.

66372d8c84fe1sarge945

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My god... the current filename for SHTUP is "SHTUP-ND_beta1.7z ". The "7z" is the FILE TYPE. There is no "1.7" version of SHTUP, nor is there any version that's labeled as such.

To be fair, this is a common issue I see with 7z all the time. Especially with multiple versioned project, like

MyProject_1.1.5.7z

It's really easy to confuse the last number for a version number.

Why couldn't they have gone with .sz instead of .7z for their file extension?

66372d8c85569blaydes99

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I always assumed it was a creative decision but my god.  What is the point in ripping the face off?  How do you even try to justify that?  Do worms and swarms recoil at the sight of human females?  Maybe they're Klingon.  Again, I'm reminded of how Eldron elegantly dealt with this problem as well by making the face look as if it had some sort of necrosis going on rather than the face being quite obviously ripped off.  Having said that, while his model is in my opinion the best one, I personally prefer the Cyberblutch midwife's overall appearance.  Maybe part of that is because it looks more generic than having dozens of Bloomes walking around.  That's probably what prompted me to make a mod that used Eldron's model only for the Bloome encounter.  That way I could use the Cyberblutch model for all others.

I know this is an old post, but the whole point of the original aesthetic is to make it scary and intimidating to the player. You could say the same for the sounds and speech that the enemies make, and on and on. The goal to create a sci-fi horror environment and impact the player is what is most important, and not to be superseded by trying to make a model that is more practical or realistic in the "game world". When I first played SS2, I dreaded fighting midwives (for a while at least) because they looked creepy, sounded creepy, and did lots of damage.
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66372d8c859ffRocketMan

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I know this is an old post, but the whole point of the original aesthetic is to make it scary and intimidating to the player. You could say the same for the sounds and speech that the enemies make, and on and on. The goal to create a sci-fi horror environment and impact the player is what is most important, and not to be superseded by trying to make a model that is more practical or realistic in the "game world". When I first played SS2, I dreaded fighting midwives (for a while at least) because they looked creepy, sounded creepy, and did lots of damage.

I actually agree with your point here, that the horror element supersedes the realism.  Thing is, 1) if you can make something realistic without any penalty, I figure why not and 2) I find ripped off faces very underwhelming, just like I find doom monsters, aliens and everything else that's "supposed to be scary" not scary.  The images that stick in my mind and scared the crap out of me the most were subtle distortions of familiar things.  This is personal opinion of course but blood, screaming, horns, guts... it just doesn't do it once the jump scare or novelty of the art immediately wears off.  I can forget the look of some beast 2 seconds after I see it.  What will haunt my dreams is why that hot chick made breathing sounds like her lungs were half full of water and rocks.

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