Guys I'm really sorry if this has been answered but I scoured the thread and haven't found anything.

The "Local Feedback Loop" issue on Ops-- am I doing something wrong?  I can't quite get the meter on the wire puzzle all the way to the top, and I have no idea what else to do.  I'm looking around for clues and whatnot, I smashed three computer consoles.  Is there something I'm supposed to be doing that I'm not getting? 

also, prox grenades can be used for tram puzzle. rando puzzles could make heavy weapons more appealing because you could lay prox mine traps for the harder ones.

I got another fun idea, how about more template grenades, that use organs, to make exotic grenades, with tinker trait?

some ideas for organ things:
-a homing grenade kinda like a shot from the worm cannon
-a grenade that works like psi mind control, perhaps brezerk instead of freindly, so they attack whomever is nearby for a short duration. side effects seem fun so like a 5% chance you get a 200% speed enraged rumbler, or even if enemies get psi powers from it
-some kinda gas grenade.. to make it different how about it decreases damage taken by enemy but does no damage
-swarm grenade
-these grenades can do some side effects too like spawn some angry worms from corpse too (% chance)

the transfer rate does not need to be 1:1 to balance this idea

other tinkers:
-be able to modify bullets using chemicals so you can turn them into the type you want at a loss, i.e. standard to AP with some tough element
-bond portable battery to template to make some kinda large AOE stun grenade (super expensive IMO, batteries are rare, and quite useful)
-some kind of homing bullets like that movie Runaway. maybe a repair tool could do this mod to make a small quantity?
-spider grenade. mix hand grenade (or scrambler) with some item to make it into a spider grenade that has IFF and runs up to enemies. IMO this grenade is so damn useless. not enough ambushes in the game either to make it worth while. Should do more damage too

It would be cool to get tinker from first OS upgrade station. I find that some other choices are SO appealing that its hard to make that choice.


I also want more bosses and ambushes! I loved the psi rumbler in recreation.

some random ideas
1) robot showdown in cafeteria on dec 4. you get attacked by 1 wimpy bot. how about getting attacked by a small army, or some kinda enhanced bot, perhaps with high speed. this area is so under used. thought it would be epic but its not.
2)  in deck five, after you clear the apartments a buncha hybrids break the glass and jump down from the upper hallway from previously locked apartment.
3) make the korenchkin psi reaver meaner. it could move faster, or spawn in some enemies with a psi power

I explained how the flamer works right here: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=7153.msg141166#msg141166
But I'm not totally opposed to giving it a buff, so long as it keeps the same identity, which is a more tactical weapon than a point and click and uberkill weapon.

for fusion cannon, its weak, but if you don't go standard, and recycle all the ammo, you can buy alot of radium prisms. works with energy

and a way to hotkey more spells from the psi amp so you can play psi better. or some soft casting menu you can bring up with a mouse key

if they had some contact det with the tinker trait and a bit better physics it would be pretty rad. you would still need to be pretty close so its not the ideal substitute. make it scale with exotic skill >_>

Voodoo saves the day again. Thank you!

This is a tiny issue I've had with Secmod for some years, but... what is the easiest way I might replace the door button/switch textures with the vanilla one?

sarge945I am fairly sure I have done that; I am a pretty thorough explorer and so probably would've walked over that area you posted, *and* have been using Secmod 3 since release and I am fairly sure I would've noticed the issue you describe. By no means a scientific analysis but I think the source is more likely to lie with you, also given the lack of reports of the issue.

For what it's worth, Sarge, I've not encountered that grenade launcher issue a single time. I am sure that isn't helpful to you in any capacity but just figured I'd help you narrow things down.

RE: wire puzzles -- not a fan. Would love an addon to remove them/replace them with something else. What that might be, I don't know, but there it is. No offense to TF, of course.

EDIT: actually would just rather the wire puzzles be replaced by hackable pads.

Also like voodoo mentioned, some levels might have been saved after editing, unfortunate but it is what it is, I think it's the case with Rick1 as I remember working to fix that one https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=12399.msg150328#msg150328

It mainly happens on medsci1 and rick1, where the origin points are inside the map.

For every other map, they usually have air rooms like they are supposed to.

There's also an audible sound when using the recharger, because it creates an invisible object.

Honestly though, I think this particular issue can be resolved by making the grenade launcher HasRefs be false when it's not being actively needed.

Okay, so it seems my Randomiser issue is not actually a Randomiser issue, it's a Secmod issue.

Running Secmod only (no other mods), is anyone else able to reproduce this issue?

This is the grenade launcher attached to the Shotgun hybrid (613) from the intro chase scene in medsci1.

To make this appear, simply walk along the small metal path in the recharger room, which is the origin point of the map (0,0,0). You need to walk into it to make it appear.

I have also seen a "droid spark" (-1500) appear there occasionally.

A similar issue exists in rick1 in the starting room.

This doesn't affect gameplay but is definitely weird. It should probably be fixed.

@voodoo47, @ThiefsieFool any idea how to deal with this? Maybe my install is just borked? This is normal Secmod only, no other mods!

EDIT: This can be hard to reproduce, it only happens sometimes. I thought reinstalling the mod fixed it, but I just didn't see it a few times.
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Renaming those maps always felt like a pretty fragile change so I avoided it. I can't recommend it unless you are willing to test after and see what explodes.

In other news, this is what happens if you ever reuse a stim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0n_XQuQm7I

I have been doing a deep-dive through Secmod as part of adding Randomiser support, and I found some things that might be worth changing (all technical, nothing gameplay related), as they will make Secmod easier to support by other mods going forward.

1. Hydro4.mis doesn't have the "secmod" qvar set. As a result, there's no easy way to DML fingerprint it without using the object position method (which is annoying).

This fingerprint doesn't work

FINGERPRINT
{
   QVAR "secmod" == 1
}

I have created a fingerprint for the level, anyone should feel free to use it:

FINGERPRINT
{
   1049 [-64 -67 -3]
   962 [-66 -144 -22]
   1051 [-2 -301 -32]
   1107 [34 -450 -32]
   1235 [-50 -480 -41]
   1263 [-52 -413 -33]
   967 [-62 -9 -25]
   966 [-70 -9 -25]
}

2. For some inexplicable reason, hydro2.mis is renamed to shydro2.mis, and shodan.mis is renamed sshodan.mis. The mod also contains a hydro2.mis file which is a copy of hydro1.mis and, AFAIK, isn't used at all, so it's just wasting space in the archive.

This is bad for a multitude of reasons, but the most important one being that any DML-heavy mod that needs to do anything complex for the hydro2 or shodan maps will basically have to be copy-pasted in order to work with the shydro2 and sshodan maps.

My assumption is that these maps were renamed to workaround the issues people used to have involving hydro2.dif and shodan.dif, however these issues are a thing of the past and the workaround is no longer necessary.

Would it be worth renaming these missions back to their old names? This should make mod compatibility significantly better for those maps. This should allow the majority of DML mods to "just work" with minor/no modifications as a lot of the object numbers between SCP/Vanilla and Secmod are still the same.

Being able to hack robots would be difficult to pull off because they can't be disabled. But I like the "droid immortality protocol" approach of making them repairable.

I find droid immortality slightly unbalanced personally, as I feel the benefits that it provides outweigh the cost of investment into repair. But additionally tying a research requirement to it could make it a bit more in line with other things, and might be a nice idea.

Stuff like that would probably go into Research, there is already one case where a new organ was added to toxic goo eggs, and when you finish researching it you essentially get a perk that gives you increased efficiency with anti-toxin hypos.

From what I remember, OS upgrades are permanently hard coded to be capped at 4 ? 

More or less what if there is a separate secondary OS system that has the similar function but uses unique Secmod upgrades and has it's own wall mounted unit which is located in other parts of the decks ? While similar to the OS upgrade, it could provide useful permanent boosts but at the cost of certain stats like health and speed, damage resistance, ect ect. Such as increased chance to find more nanites/ammo off bodies regardless of difficulty.

(Update) Sorry I completely didn't even see the wiring circuit that was below. Strange thing was that just by dragging the power cell onto the recharger even when broken would still perform a recharge of the cell.

The infamous bug

(I thought that was fixed, though?)

Most big gameplay mods aren't really compatible. Usually it's one big mod and then some DML stuff on top of that.
Scramble grenades in this mod have a 'berserk' effect actually, they will make a robot or turret hostile to everything it sees.
And it should be very hard to get softlocked, any broken objects that seem to block progress don't really need to be repaired, you can hit the first locker with a wrench and solve a wire puzzle to fix the first recharging station.

It's been a while since I last tried this mod, probably back when it was either still v1 or v2, far as I remember though was it possible to physically pick up destroyed turrets and have them in your inventory to carry and relocate elsewhere to drop and repair them ? Or perhaps that was some other mod I was browsing years ago.

Starting up a new run with this mod so hopefully it'll be a blast. Also are storage/loot items randomized each playthrough ? Wasn't sure since it wasn't mentioned on the main mod page features including how the wrench could be used to open certain containers. Is there a list of all changes and features that I could read up ?

Sorta, it's a very old feature of the mod that you can repair turrets though you can't relocate them, you have to carry the broken debris that flies off a destroyed turret, but it has to be placed on the same static destroyed turret body, and then you repair the whole thing with the repair skill.

There is light loot randomization on containers and bodies, which shouldn't break the economy or anything. There should be a readme in the archive, it's pretty long but you can skim around.

and it's also linux people, but that's pretty much the same thing.

I really need to upload that ss2tool fix script (after making it work from my server)

I feel personally attacked.

voodoo47
What does this line

#script "squirrel"
in the DML actually do?