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QUICK HELP:
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Install the game
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Patch it with SS2Tool
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Download the attached archive
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Load it with Dark engine Mod Manager
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voodoo47
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19. March 2018, 11:20:16
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Load the mod with the modmanager, and you need to activate it before entering ops for the first time for this to work. Then either trigger an alarm, or kill the pre-placed AIs in the level and wait for the random spawning to kick in (or open the console and type
summon_obj og-shard
to receive thine pounding right away). The hybrid shard is unlootable for the moment (will probably stay that way), lootdrops are same as the pipe hybrid, plus a chance for a large beaker to promote the worm guns a little (also, a grenade hybrid now may drop a small beaker, because why not). The shard hybrid has 24 hitpoints just like the shotgun hybrid, and hits HARD.
SS2tool patched install required, the Rebirth version also requires Rebirth to already be active.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi5Cj8AXCF4
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19. March 2018, 16:49:34
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It has been a while since my last play-through, but wasn't there a log about how frail the shards are?
Maybe you could make them shatter (or just despawn with a glass-breaking sound) a few moments after the hybrid hits the ground, something something psionic stabilization field collapsing after death, to keep the immersion up if you can't collect them.
And yes, they do hit hard.
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19. March 2018, 18:24:43
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I second
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's suggestion concerning the glass shattering sound when the hybrid drops. Tells the player that it's kaputt. Nice idea on the shardhybrid, thanks vodoo. Maybe make them spawn only at a 5 % rateor do, since shards are supposed to be rare.
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19. March 2018, 19:50:16
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the idea comes from Secmod, though the implementation is completely different. also, this is actually something I wouldn't mind including in the main build of SCP - the existence of shard hybrids is hinted/confirmed in at least one log, so they definitely are canon to the SS2 universe.
the fragility mentioned in the log is an inconsistency we will have to live with (we can duct tape it with something like "he had a small/incomplete shard not doped with germanium so it was fragile, unlike the fully grown shards which are sturdy") - not planning on doing anything fancy like shatter the shards once the hybrids are slain, it would be just weird and also pose a technical problem (solvable, but still).
the current upload is basically just a techdemo, meant to test whether all the dml gears turn as they should, working this into the game in a balanced fashion will come later, but I'm thinking basically replacing all pipe hybrid spawns on ops and higher with shard hybrids - surprisingly, that would make them quite rare.
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19. March 2018, 20:13:25
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Veto on SCP inclusion. That would be a Major Change to the enemy design.
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19. March 2018, 20:15:09
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yeah yeah, I know, but a man can dream.
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19. March 2018, 21:13:52
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However, a minimod could probably manage it. Perhaps a script that checks the current map and replaces pipes with crystal shards at Ops or above.
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19. March 2018, 21:34:14
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definitely, and actually the purpose of this topic - once I have the final setup figured, writing a few mission dmls that will modify the spawnspoints will be trivial (there are no more hybrid spawns at command and above iirc, so we are talking just about ops and rec, unless we want to
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the loot and damage is pretty much all that needs attention, if everyone is ok with the standard pipe hybrid loot plus low chance of a large beaker and two times the bash force of a pipe hybrid, and shard hybrid serving as a pipe hybrid replacement late in the game then we are ready to go.
but will let it sit here for a week or so, maybe someone will come up with something interesting.
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19. March 2018, 21:49:55
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Wrench hybrids.
Pool stick hybrids.
Umbrella hybrids.
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voodoo47
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19. March 2018, 21:52:21
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don't tempt me
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20. March 2018, 01:01:11
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This is a great addition. Not that there aren't other emerging melee threats (and after you encounter shotgun hybrids, other enemies supplant them), but it's quite valuable to have the basic melee hybrid buffed up a bit for the later parts of the game. And it's directly implied by the audio logs.
Just how much damage does a single shard hit do on Impossible? The quick hit from pipe hybrids was already quite deadly (this is not a complaint, I'm rather excited for the added challenge).
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20. March 2018, 02:11:30
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Well as voodoo said it's 2x dmg.
One could argue that goggles is indeed mostly flesh and therefore should take extra beating from the shard, one could also argue that at that point he would already have standard armor. I wonder if 2x dmg on him is realistic, since his organic parts shouldnt be exposed that much. Is a shard hit that much more painful than a pipe hit?
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20. March 2018, 13:20:38
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I don't think "realistic" is what's needed here, it's just a question of whether 2x is good, or too much, or too little (for reference, it's the same as a rumbler). also, AI damage output doesn't change with difficulty, iirc.
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22. March 2018, 06:32:27
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This is awesome. Would fit into SCP really well.
Now we just need a crazy cat lady hybrid who throws cats at you to replace the grenade hybrid on higher levels
Seriously though I think you need to gather up all the SCP minimods and add them to the main SCP thread. It can be annoying to hunt them all down on the forums
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22. March 2018, 08:05:49
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they have
a tag you can click on
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23. March 2018, 03:16:13
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People looking for SCP might not know about the tag system or about the existence of that particular tag.
Maybe add a link to that tag search to the SCP post?
I'm just trying to help out people who haven't played system shock in years and someone just told them about this cool new SCP mod. They might go on here, find SCP, click on the link and then install a few other mods they would have otherwise not known about
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23. March 2018, 17:19:17
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Next up: Cyborg Assassins with laser rapiers (though the poor things keep severing parts of themselves) ?
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voodoo47
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23. March 2018, 17:57:36
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prototype already exists (somewhere) on my hdd.
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voodoo47
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25. March 2018, 21:01:09
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update - ops should now be in a playable state (pipe hybrid spawns replaced with shard hybrid, also had to replace spiders at two occasions to include shard hybrids into the normal spawn setups as well).
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voodoo47
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21. February 2021, 15:42:40
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hey, look what I forgot even exists for about 3 years.
I think I'll modify the spawns for the rest of the maps, call it proper beta1, and attach to the first post.
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21. February 2021, 21:04:51
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Quote by voodoo47:
prototype already exists (somewhere) on my hdd.
This reminds me -- I experimented with adding Laser Rapiers to the Cyborg Assassins for SS2 Scary Monsters and had it all working save for the actual rapier attachment. However, I ended up cutting it from the mod for several reasons:
It's not that faithful, and the goal of Scary Monsters was to retain each enemy's core identity while making them better at doing what they're supposed to
Changing "AI: AI Core: AI" from "ranged" to "rangedmelee" has the unfortunate side effect of making them rush the player constantly to get into melee range, which is a downgrade to their AI behavior in my opinion
Figuring out how to get the dang rapier attachment working on top of the above didn't seem worth it
I might try to finish this up as a DML addon (happily, no additions to motiondb.bin are necessary to support it). It's possible that I could fix the second issue with changes to other AI properties like desired attack range which which I wasn't familiar at the time. Using a script to flick between ranged and rangedmelee is a bad idea since that caused crashing when I tried to do it for other purposes.
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voodoo47
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21. February 2021, 21:11:36
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I've abandoned it mostly because it's only doable on the vanilla model, and even there, I was not able to prevent the rapier from very obviously going through parts of the AI model sometimes (which, funnily enough, is consistent with the problems Korenchkin was mentioning).
maybe I'll revisit this once the SS2EE AI models are up for grabs.
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22. February 2021, 15:53:15
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Haven't seen that this mod exist.. brilliant.
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22. February 2021, 16:40:44
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because it's not-yet-a-mod, hence, the Engineering subforum. anyway, it will be later this week.
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