that's the neat part, Pistol hybrid mod doesn't really replace any AIs, it just gives them a different skin (with a probability of your choice). so all scripted sequences, triggers etc will be respected - a good example is the video in the first post, where a corpse is being angrily beaten by a hybrid, but the hybrid is not whacking it with a pipe, but whipping it with a pistol instead.

Shard hybrid mod works differently, it just creates a new AI archetype and then modifies the map spawn lists to include it. simple (and compatible only with the base game), but again, not going to break anything, and that's what counts.

Good to know

sarge945I see. I read the description of your mod multiple times and still forgot what it said about compatibility with this mod.   

Yeah the mod page is a little long-winded, I should probably cut it down a bit.

that's the neat part, Pistol hybrid mod doesn't really replace any AIs, it just gives them a different skin (with a probability of your choice). so all scripted sequences, triggers etc will be respected - a good example is the video in the first post, where a corpse is being angrily beaten by a hybrid, but the hybrid is not whacking it with a pipe, but whipping it with a pistol instead.

Shard hybrid mod works differently, it just creates a new AI archetype and then modifies the map spawn lists to include it. simple (and compatible only with the base game), but again, not going to break anything, and that's what counts.

I see no reason why it wouldn't work, randomizing loot tables shouldn't pose a problem. unless the mod also affects guaranteed loot, which isn't something it should be doing.

excellent opportunity to find out?

should work as described in the first post.

RoSoDudeI am running RSD as well, so that must be it.

I don't need to do that as far as I know, it's probably just a holdover from when I started out modding and didn't know what I was doing.

If you're using SS2-RSD, it's probably my new base ammo value of 9 overriding this mod's base ammo value of 1. But you need to have RSD higher otherwise the burst mode unlock doesn't work correctly.

I can probably fix it on my end, maybe even provide a fix file in the meantime.

you are the luckiest person on earth, apparently.

also, 9 is impossible? you either get 1 (guaranteed), or 1+6 (one random pick is a clip), or 1+6+6 (two random picks are a clip).
// AI->Loot
+ObjProp "OG-Pistol_Meta" "LootInfo"
{
"Number of Picks" 2
"1 - Item" "5 Nanites"
"1 - Rarity" 20
"2 - Item" "Small Standard Clip"
"2 - Rarity" 10
"3 - Item" "Med Patch"
"3 - Rarity" 5
"4 - Item" "Soda Can"
"4 - Rarity" 25
"5 - Item" ""
"5 - Rarity" 35
"6 - Item" "OG Organ"
"6 - Rarity" 5
}any additional mods that are maybe messing around with loot tables?


//ok yeah, "9 bullets IN it". there should be no bullets INSIDE the gun (unless you are running vanilla+pistol hybrid, in that case, there will be one). something else is modifying the loaded ammo value of the pistol.

I used SS2 Community Patch along with Rebalanced Skills and Disciplines for my last run.

voodoo47
Just finished a run, far as I've seen the other hybrid variations aside of the grenadier stop showing up after Ops. None of them on bridge either and there was only one instance of a group on the lower deck of the Rickenbacker. Forgot how limited the supplies are in the end game, specially with the tanky rumblers around each corner.

That little glitch with the grenadier pistol made me think you could throw in a rare late game encounter with a hybrid using a grenade launcher, longer range than the grenade throwing brother, basically a glass cannon but not something you'd want to ignore if it spots you.

Trying a new run using Secmod this time round.

voodoo47
I'll try it out, I've only made it up to recreation so far but not sure if pipe hybrids continue to show up in further levels meaning the pistol variation wouldn't show up either.

I did try to see if copying over a few lines in the Dml replacing the og-pipe with og-grenade so that it would have a chance to replace the grenadier hybrid. It 'sorta' worked but the pistol hybrid replacement would fire 'grenade' rounds from the weapon rather than pistol shots at me.

Decided to try this out on my return to SS2 after nearly 10 years of not touching it. Glad I did as it did change up the combat a bit, plus makes it's a bit more interesting having more varied enemy types.

Could there be additional versions which also have the pistol hybrid having a chance to also appear instead of the grenadier type too ?

You could expand more into this, having certain versions of hybrids. Having the common ones such as the pipe, pistol and shotguns being the common starting you encounter, as you progress further into Ops and further there could be the more advanced and tougher variety aside of the grenadier, basically that were former security crew wielding more dangerous weapons but also wearing security armor that makes you have to resort to using Anti-Armor or Anti-Personnel to dispatch them.

Alternatively perhaps a different variation of the Security Robot which uses the slug turret's 3 round attack type or more automatic making it more deadly encounter but a more rewarding to get 10+ standard rounds of ammo with rare chance of the other types when destroyed.

Deu sexOh thank you! After reading Voodoo's last post I began playing around with it myself trying to get it right, but I'm not going to reinvent the wheel if you've got it right. Probably worth mentioning though, using DFB's sound length (800 ms) as reference, I found that it works fine between 900 ms and 1200 ms, with the latter one cutting out fairly infrequently. There's probably a compromise somewhere in the middle for those who want to try to find it.

I think you would need to reconstruct/reload sound schemas to allow a completely separate/new sound for the hybrid pistol, which is something you really, really don't want to be doing.

iirc, there is no easy way of just making an object play a new sound clip that isn't already set up in the sound schema.

but the happy kind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZYJKtOjJXg

well, at least you have something to look forward to.

his own death?

heh, I'm waiting for SSEE fixes, which are supposed to come after SS2EE gets released, which is supposed to come after SSR gets realeased, which is supposed to come after my death.

GuyFawkesGaming
Exactly 1 second with a smooth fade out at the end. (sorry for the late reply)

No-one can stop my greed! Only RSD compatibility remains, and then I'll have my perfect modded build! It has several tweaks inside mods, like water animation speed, explosion animation speed, plenty of gamesys.dml edits for some mods here and there, a sexy cam_ext.cfg with perfectly tuned bloom lighting and all, bigger font for english subtitles that are present in the french subtitles even though it's disabled. Pretty crazy stuff, but it holds

After RSD compat, I'll just patiently wait for either SCP Beta 5, or Nightdive's remaster (the one which comes first I guess). Or maybe some other mod will surprise me in the meantime

It was silversharp's weapon sounds, however since changing mod order didn't help, and I really like this mod, I wanted to keep it anyways. I supposed it was because the WAV files of the pistol sound were too long.

So I imported them on Audacity, made them shorter with a smooth fade out, exported them and put them back into the mod again, and it was exactly that! Now even with the mod the pistol shots are from the mod and no skips anymore

Very good news, it works wonders it just has a strange "bug" when 1 / 2 shot from pistol hybrids doesn't produce sound, but it's not a big deal.
It still provides burst abuse or pistol not broken abuse depending on the priority with RSD, but the priority with scary monsters AI seems to be sorted out

this is the current mod order: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802306525314023436/884406058775367680/unknown.png

With the gamesys.dml you provided (be sure it's the new one, sometimes it's easy to upload the old one by accident) and NVRelayTrap2FailChance="0"

This works: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802306525314023436/884390900690743396/unknown.png but still has the burst mod abuse and the pistol is not properly aligned on the hybrid now: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802306525314023436/884391021499260938/unknown.png

This doesn't work: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802306525314023436/884392929844682782/unknown.png
This doesn't work as well: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802306525314023436/884394203562536991/unknown.png

no improvements, couldn't get a single pistol hybrid to spawn with the new gamesys.dml

voodoo47
Good to know! I have beta versions of SS2-RSD and Scary Monsters on the way; I'll move a bunch of scripts to custom metaproperties to save script slots for better mod compatibility.

There is currently an incompatibility between Pistol Hybrid and SS2-RSD 1.08 beta where loading the latter above the former screws up the broken Pistol loot, but loading the former above the latter apparently breaks the new modding system. I'll see if I can find a fix.

yes, script add via metaprop is definitely a thing.

and yes, if two mods modify the same archetypes, there is little that can be done to make them compatible - I'm guessing a special Pistol Hybrid ready version of the Scary AI mod would be possible, but not sure whether worth the effort.