I always assumed it was a creative decision but my god.  What is the point in ripping the face off?  How do you even try to justify that?  Do worms and swarms recoil at the sight of human females?  Maybe they're Klingon.  Again, I'm reminded of how Eldron elegantly dealt with this problem as well by making the face look as if it had some sort of necrosis going on rather than the face being quite obviously ripped off.  Having said that, while his model is in my opinion the best one, I personally prefer the Cyberblutch midwife's overall appearance.  Maybe part of that is because it looks more generic than having dozens of Bloomes walking around.  That's probably what prompted me to make a mod that used Eldron's model only for the Bloome encounter.  That way I could use the Cyberblutch model for all others.

I know this is an old post, but the whole point of the original aesthetic is to make it scary and intimidating to the player. You could say the same for the sounds and speech that the enemies make, and on and on. The goal to create a sci-fi horror environment and impact the player is what is most important, and not to be superseded by trying to make a model that is more practical or realistic in the "game world". When I first played SS2, I dreaded fighting midwives (for a while at least) because they looked creepy, sounded creepy, and did lots of damage.

voodoo47
Good to know thanks

also, b comes after a, wonder which version is the newer one.

and Secmod Rebirth patches have been deprecated (a long time ago), if you are using that (and also other outdated bits), you are asking for trouble.

RealSG_Rebirth_1.05
SS2_Rebirth_v05a
SHTUP-ND_beta1.7 - After downloading the file it's named 1 instead of 1.7 to help with confusion
Secmod_RebirthPatch_1.04

I cant shake the feeling that none of these are the newest version.

Also which of these two is newer?  SS2_Rebirth_v05a
                                                               SS2_Rebirth_v05b

voodoo47
Appreciate the reply, thank you.

Hello, I've come across a mod called RealSG_1.05. What's the difference between that and the Rebirth edition? Can/should I use both?

JacklynnUm, I'm gonna warn against that. As of late fileplant has been distributing some "innova media download manager" malware crap. Besides, doesn't the latest version already have the cyborg midwifes' titties out? They're even more noticeable with this texture.

Yeah, when looking for the file myself on fileplanet, originally my AV acted up so I deleted it and grabbed the one in the link suggested by Rocketman.

Honestly, the boobs are meh for me. I overall wanted the face back. The face on the OG Rebirth to me look a lot more fitting than the cut off face in the original game or the newer versions of Rebirth.

Don't worry, I feel exactly as you do.  Exactly.  Whether that makes you feel any better is another story lol.

I'll tell you why she has metal plates over her boobs.  It's because the designers didn't want to show them.  We can only speculate what made them squeamish about that but it looks stupid to me too.  They were pretty clear in the logs that they wanted caregivers for the eggs and Nurse Bloome had the sweetness and gentleness that made her the ideal caregiver to serve as the prototype.  Now one of system shock's themes is to distort our understanding of what human is, so they peeled her face off and butchered a good half of her so she looked like an abomination.  That's fine with me.  The mechanical legs were due to the corrosive/toxic nature of the eggs and the fumes they give off IIRC.  The face was probably a creative/thematic decision.  Everything else was just censorship.

Download the original rebirth version, not the ones that have been updated here.  Then you have to pull fembot.bin/.cal and the associated textures from the txt16 folder out of that mod and overwrite those you'd find in the latest version.  It's not too hard once you have both versions.  The first one is in Kolya's post just under the main post.

Thank you!
I tried looking for the original version even from fileplanet and moddb and just couldnt find it... cant believe it was just sitting here the entire time! xD

Also thank you for the reply! Wasn't expecting anyone to be so fast in responding.

It's a plausible creative choice but I don't buy it.

The better question is, why would parameter X of an existing design need to change when it has no impact one way or the other on the task at hand?  You've heard the old adage, if it aint broke, don't fix it, right?  Should we chop off all the hybrids' dicks?  Shave their heads?  Maybe remove a spleen or appendix or wisdom tooth?

Removing skin and tissues from the body quite frankly is invasive, traumatic and detrimental to the health of the organism.  Adding steel breast plates is a waste of materials, design effort and bulk.  I could go on and on all day about how these are poor engineering choices but I didn't think that level of evidence was necessary for what was quite obviously a modesty issue. 

Also I'm convinced that because disagreement on this issue makes you a pervert by default, it's no wonder nobody said anything about the rebirth changes.  Isn't it possible that putting a steel bra on a model is just irksome in and of itself and not because, "you took my porn away!".

Some people just get personally offended at the thought of being denied bOoBs no matter what the context. It's weird.

I can answer that one for you.  It's because sex is a taboo in the west despite the superficial attempt to portray to the contrary.  People are shamed for discussing it so when bOoBs are removed, some people, who are sick and tired of living in such a schizophrenic space, feel compelled to say something about it.

I think it was Eldron who made the best version of the midwife we ever had.. pity nobody uses it.  It was authentic but even he put the boobs back on without sexualizing the overall aesthetic.

Don't worry, I feel exactly as you do.  Exactly.  Whether that makes you feel any better is another story lol.

I'll tell you why she has metal plates over her boobs.  It's because the designers didn't want to show them.  We can only speculate what made them squeamish about that but it looks stupid to me too.  They were pretty clear in the logs that they wanted caregivers for the eggs and Nurse Bloome had the sweetness and gentleness that made her the ideal caregiver to serve as the prototype.  Now one of system shock's themes is to distort our understanding of what human is, so they peeled her face off and butchered a good half of her so she looked like an abomination.  That's fine with me.  The mechanical legs were due to the corrosive/toxic nature of the eggs and the fumes they give off IIRC.  The face was probably a creative/thematic decision.  Everything else was just censorship.

Download the original rebirth version, not the ones that have been updated here.  Then you have to pull fembot.bin/.cal and the associated textures from the txt16 folder out of that mod and overwrite those you'd find in the latest version.  It's not too hard once you have both versions.  The first one is in Kolya's post just under the main post.

probably just one character over the limit or something.

depending on how you are loading it - with the modmanager, it's pretty much impossible that one properly loaded mod would work and the other one not, unless linux is doing something crazy like clipping the modpath inside cam_mod.ini because it thinks it's too long. anyway, try to load just Rebirth and nothing else, and maybe make the modfolder name as short and simple as possible (Reb5 for example), see what happens.

that mod combination actually probably is going to work without major issues (putting that weird inventory problem aside). maybe. but still, why would you use ADaoB, if you can use SCP?

Listen to the man Dancsi39. I wrote SS2Tool and Voodoo created the Steam build and tons of mods. We know what we're talking about.

Even if the tool works fine with the steam version, there is no need to use,

SS2Tool

    Essential patcher which integrates the NewDark patch and fixes various issues.
    Latest versions automatically disable the intro video for you (if you wish to re-enable it for whatever reason, add always_play_intro to the cam.cfg or cam_ext files).
    SS2Tool requires Vista or later due to included Rsync, however NewDark runs on 2000/XP or later. One can patch it on a Vista machine then transfer it to an older machine. Digital versions already include NewDark and compatibility fixes for modern systems however the tool is still necessary for proper mod support.

As I said, The Steam version of SS2 is already patched with NewDark, and this tool mostly fixes problems that are not present in the Steam version, only on the retail one.

Even without the mods I installed 2 days ago, the game runs fine.

Fully patched with ND means that the game on Steam is the updated version, fully patched for modern systems, compared to the retail (CD version), it also adds widescreen support.

Check PCGamingwiki's site, you will find all the information about the Steam version of SS2 (retail and digital).

SS2Tool doesn't work with that version, that's why I have to use another SS2 mod manager tools and most of of them use the .ss2mod format. What I do is simply change the .zip extension for .ss2mod and after, I can add the mod with the mod manager.

I used the guide on play-old-pc-games dot com to setup SS2 with mods on my computer

This mod + 3 others that I use are there.

As i said, the mod works fine now, it was a one time issue (probably a keyboard bind messed up the left clic on the mouse.

.ss2mod? Sounds like ancient mods being used.

Hi again,

I just activated the mod again, put it on the top of the priority list and everything works now, i don't know what happened.

that sounds.. impossible, as the mod does not modify mechanics in any way. running the game from program files? running the original game or a fan mission? is this happening only with shotgun hybrids? start by posting your ss2tool.log and ss2bmm.log.

full dissection will be necessary here, probably - copy your entire SS2 folder to your desktop, delete the DATA folder, zip the SS2 folder up, and upload to gdrive (or any other filesharing sire), post the link.

no, you only need the latest package.

Well, it would have been cool and it would make things a lot easier, but I see your point.

I wish we had a compilation mod or installer of sorts.

You know, you select some mods to install from the list and the installer downloads and installs the latest version. You could select things like unoffical patches, graphical mods etc. You could section options based on how close they are to the vanilla or how recommended they are. Would be cool and more accessible to the new players.

It look like I messed up the installation. (Didn't copy all files somehow) Assassin model was missing in the folder.

Thanks.

Was this model ever incorporated? If so I have never seen it in the game.

Any idea what's going on here? I have RealSG right above Rebirth but hybrid's shotgun is invisible.