SCP Beta 5 Issue Reporting

[6648cd3909bcevoodoo47]

with all those pools around, who needs one?

[6648cd3909d8aNameless Voice]

Or just walk a few metres to the elevator and another deck.

[6648cd390a09aLivo]

I'd suggest having a little Hydro2 bathroom purely as a "This is an dire emergency, I can't wait for an elevator to another deck, especially given how unreliable in-universe the VB mechanical systems are for crew" situation.

[6648cd390a2f4tiphares4]

Maybe one of the best places for bathroom would be this area↴; it always made the impression of being a waiting room or so.  Some additional (maybe defunct) Value Rep™ there would be nice also to breath more life into it.    Maybe even make some breakthrough to one of the adjacent rooms (the one where the totally destroyed replicator & toxin a vials are) - it could serve as auxiliary medical station canon wise - although this would heavy alteration of level geometry i guess.      :)

[6648cd390a865sarge945]

I'm okay with a bathroom being there.

Maybe some of the random floor items in the level could be moved there.

[6648cd390aa91JDoran]

Yes, and a fair more chairs - make it a sort of rest area for short breaks for people working on the deck who want few minutes to relax.

[6648cd390ad02ZylonBane]

You guys know there's a hallway on the opposite side of that wall, right? There is no "there" to put a bathroom there.

Also SCP added benches along that wall years ago.

[6648cd390af1btiphares4]

:l        One could shift the whole room/s a bit to the east↬↴ More place then - or place a bathroom in the upper area. I think it doesn't have to be a huge bathroom, think of those ones scattered across recreation deck - like that one in the Bonne Chance Lounge..

[6648cd390b107sarge945]

The bathroom doesn't have to be in that specific spot. I guess I was more in favor of a bathroom on that deck in general.

But uhhh....there's also plenty of pot plants, I guess.

[6648cd390b2b9ZylonBane]

Emissive material lighting in Dark? Sure, why not.

[6648cd390b3e9voodoo47]

why not indeed.

[6648cd390b519Nameless Voice]

Does the colour change if you shoot the screen?

[6648cd390b714ZylonBane]

Memo to self: Make screen invulnerable.

[6648cd390b877ZylonBane]

Anyone else find it distractingly odd that the Midwife organ requires no chemicals to research? Considering how numerous, dangerous, and complex they are, you'd think the game would make players go fetch at least one chemical to get that sweet damage bonus.

[6648cd390b984voodoo47]

considering how long it takes to research the organ, I'd say this is intentional. nothing needed but takes forever.

[6648cd390be6esarge945]

Anyone else find it distractingly odd that the Midwife organ requires no chemicals to research? Considering how numerous, dangerous, and complex they are, you'd think the game would make players go fetch at least one chemical to get that sweet damage bonus.

I would suggest swapping the themical requirement with the useless worms. So they require nothing to research, and the midwife requires whatever they required.

[6648cd390bfd8ZylonBane]

There has been some internal discussion regarding adding a feature to automatically move AIs away the QBR when the player dies and respawns, to prevent situations where the player gets trapped in a spawn-camp loop.

Would this be a welcome change?

[6648cd390c146ZylonBane]

I was just thinking, it's hardly fair that card slots get to show their locked/unlocked status, but keypads don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM562fHV5bo
Too much?

[6648cd390c298Nameless Voice]

I like it, but it kind of draws attention to the fact that the keypads generally stay unlocked forever after you enter the code once - which was never exactly realistic.

[6648cd390c3c9ZylonBane]

Well, keycard doors do the same thing. Swipe once, unlocked forever.

A way in which they do differ is that keypad doors mostly stay open after being unlocked, unlike keycard doors, which mostly behave like normal doors after being unlocked. I have considered changing this to make keypad door behavior consistent with the other door types.

[6648cd390c841sarge945]

I was just thinking, it's hardly fair that card slots get to show their locked/unlocked status, but keypads don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM562fHV5bo
Too much?

don't waste time patting yourself on the back.

[6648cd390ce97ZylonBane]

Speaking of keypads, their behavior across the game is an absolute mess from a consistency standpoint.

On the surface, you'd expect keypad doors to act just like keycard doors. That is, once unlocked they behave exactly like any other door. This behavior of keycard doors is almost (but not entirely) consistent across the entire vanilla game. But that consistency only happened because of a feature of the card slot script: After being unlocked, it will pass along any TurnOn/TurnOff messages it receives. So mission authors could easily wire up keycard doors like so:

tripwire --> card slot --> door

Thus automatically allowing the tripwire to control the door after the card slot is unlocked. But the keypad script, inexplicably, DOES NOT have this message-forwarding feature. It will pop open the door on initially entering the correct code or hacking the keypad, but any functionality beyond that is left up to the mission author.

Unsurprisingly, most authors decided it wasn't worth the effort to work around this shortcoming of the script, but some did, and none of them did it the same way. Which gave us this mess:

earth/266: no code (Navy training)
- Closes: On timer after hacking. Closes and becomes locked again after three seconds.
- Open from inside: Button
- Open from outside: Must hack again

medsci1/1681: 45100 (Cryo Recovery A)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

medsci1/222: 00000 (Cryo Retraining Storage; code never given)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

medsci1/809: 12451 (Maintenance Access Shaft)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

medsci2/1148: 98383 (Sub-armory; unhackable)
- Closes: Exit tripwire on inside
- Open from inside: Enter tripwire
- Open from outside: Frob keypad

eng1/1372: 59004 (Utility Storage 4)
- Closes: Exit tripwire spanning both sides
- Open from inside: Enter tripwire
- Open from outside: Enter tripwire or frob keypad

eng1/1500: 00000 (Utility Storage ?; door already open)
- Nonfunctional

eng1/1726: 34760 (Aux. Storage 5; unhackable)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

eng1/1181: 15061 (Engineering Control; unhackable)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

eng1/910: 94834 (Engineering Override; unhackable)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

rec1/1955: 11111 (Crew Annex)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a (but there's a button on the inside wired up to open the door if it's closed)
- Open from outside: n/a

rec1/270: 12345 (Crew Safe; code never given)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

rec2/624: 50220 (Maintenance Access Shaft; broken; code never given)
- Closes: Timer (10 seconds)
- Open from inside: Button
- Open from outside: Frob keypad

rec2/122: 34093 (Garden maintenance tunnel)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a
- Open from outside: n/a

ops4/333: 13433 (Weapons lockup)
- Closes: Timer (8 seconds)
- Open from inside: Button
- Open from outside: Frob keypad

command2/1609: 83273 (Security Station)
- Closes: Never
- Open from inside: n/a (but there's a tripwire across the door wired to the keypad)
- Open from outside: n/a (ditto)

So  yeah... I normally prefer to go with "majority rules" when making things consistent, but of the keypad doors where the author tried to make them behave realistically, there is no majority, even within the same map!

I'd say it comes down to a choice between two approaches:

• Make them behave exactly like keycard doors.
  
  • Pro: Safest and simplest
  • Con: Would require stripping out a few existing buttons
• Make them close behind you when walking through the door, then require explicitly frobbing either the keypad from the outside or a button from the inside to re-open the door.
  
  • Pro: Differentiates keypad-secured areas from keycard-secured areas, making them feel more like the extra-secure locations they're supposed to be
  • Con: Would require adding a lot of buttons

AAAAaaaggghhh....

[6648cd390cfc9tiphares4]

choice no. 2 would be so cool.. more immersion    :3

[6648cd390d0besarge945]

This all sounds like an elaborate conspiracy to force me to update my No Keypad Cheese mod.