Okay I took a look at the CZ mod. It appears you kind of half-mutated ISO-8859-1 into ISO-8859-2.

Would there be any value to the community in having full SHTUP-style implementations of ISO-8859-1 and ISO-8859-2 available?

The moment you changed any default characters to different characters, you created a new encoding. Did you pick character positions for the new characters at random, or in accordance with an existing encoding? Using a previously non-existent encoding would have made updating the strings... challenging.

forking the CZ fonts is probably not a good idea

Which character encoding did you use? ISO-8859-2? Windows-1250? CP852? Kamenický?

Modded wouldn't be "out of the box".

SHTUP fonts have to be compatible with the vanilla string resources. Switching over to 8859-1, if that's what you're suggesting, would make SHTUP incompatible with the official German translation.

If that's not what you're suggesting, then I have no idea what you're actually suggesting.

Plus, supplying ISO-8859-1 fonts across the board (SCP, SHTUP, maybe even original newdark) means that English and German (the only official versions iirc) and most fan translations (Brazilian/Portuguese, Spanish, Italian) would be correct ootb and not require their own replacements while profiting from the improved kerning and legibility of the SHTUP fonts.

Eh? The vanilla German translation is encoded in CP850, which has its Ä/Ü/Ö characters at different locations than 8859-1

The current SHTUP small text fonts include only the same characters included in the original fonts. The encoding is CP850, except for ñ and Ñ being transposed. This error has been preserved in the SHTUP version in case any vanilla localizations rely on it.

ISO-8859-1 and Latin1 are the same thing. CP850 supposedly supports all the same alphabetical characters ISO-8859-1 does, so it seems like it would be easier to stick with CP850 than switching over to a different encoding.

Working on the German translation again. I must have been drunk while converting the older SHTUP ASCII fonts to OEM-850 because some of the characters are just wrong - which you mostly don't notice because they don't appear in the German version of the game.

Ahem, anyway: Based on the first post, SCP, and my own work, this is what I think we currently have, correct me if I'm wrong:
* modern SHTUP-iified fonts which are (extended) US-ASCII only
* SHTUP-iified fonts (circa 2013) for OEM-850, with some non-German or atypical characters being missing or wrong
* ISO-8859-1 fonts which have not been cleaned up properly and contain some actual characters in places where ISO-8859-1 is empty or would contain control characters if extended with ISO 6429 (or some rarely used characters if switching to windows-1252). Notably, Czech, Turkish and Hungarian support is lacking and the fonts have not been SHTUP-ified.
* Czech fonts by voodoo47 which I think use windows-1250 and were adapted from the ISO fonts (so not SHTUP-ified)
* Russian fonts (https://github.com/BroFox86/ss2-rus) which are completely custom using an unknown codepage and even a different character height/width. They're a bit broken in some instances (e.g. the circumflex "^" is displayed as-is instead of using the lightning bolt glyph) but fit a lot more text on screen without being illegible, which is rather neat.


Does someone have a secret stash of SHTUP-ified Latin1 fonts lying around? Would be cool to at some point have an easy to use, complete set of characters, e.g. Latin1+Latin2. UTF8 is out of the question unless a magic fairy would at some point implement TTF support in NewDark.

Hello, do you have another metafont.bmp file because the one that you sent me are missing some characters  thanks

oh man you are right X/ can you shut your mouth a little bit now the characters are on the wrong position at least the indexed thing worked

modifying the original file worked thanks again, god bless I will not have to change images anymore 😅

the rgb mode was set by default I haven't changed since you told me to do I will try this

Do I need to change any option when converting to indexed or just leave as it is and press "convert".?

I think it is been at least 4/5 days that I am into this. I am almost finishing the translation. I was thinking in maybe take the mod that makes everything in hd and translate the images from there so in the game they appear with more quality but this of course will be another time first of all just translate the txt.

oh man the reason of why the fonts was not working in the same place as that of the 8859-1 table was the thing with indexed colors, now I need to change back to the original position  oh man very thanks again, now my fonts load in the place where they should be

hmm... this for sure will help a lot, thanks
do you know how to do this in gimp?

hello again, what have you done to fix black characteres? my characteres just turned black I have tried to fix but no sucess. I'm using the same codes as you told me to use

-c -m -a to metafont although I haven't changed the glyphs for this font and blueaa.
-c -m to mainfont
-c to others

edit 1: do you know which place in the game uses the dimmed font?

one other thing, inside the strings folder there is two folders called rcs and german do I need to translate this file too or they are not needed?

well I just need to encode all the txt with the same encoding and I will not have problems.

looks like that the mod manager makes the game to read the files that are.txt in the encoding that I set

No, no, no, no, NO, NOOOOO. The mod manager doesn't do anything to files except extract them.

I give up. This guy is obviously in write-only mode.

I just found that the game uses the encoding 8859-1

LITERALLY THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD.

Also wrong, as I already told you. But, if you overwrite the fonts to use 8859-1 ordering, and author your text files in 8859-1, it probably will work anyway.

well looks like the subtitles uses a different type of encoding from the game but they all share the same mainaa.fon and now I have a problem if I translate the game items the translation will be messed up, even changing the encoding in notepad++ to the cp850 doesn't work. oh boy this is so difficult because the 8856 wich should be working is not and now I don't know what to do

I think I know, I need to use the -f to set the first character in the pos 32 this is the problem, otherwise the thieffon ignores the first 2 rows and just write the character in the pos 0

let me test this

This is going to be a glorious mess.

I'm using notepad++ to translate as it is more easy for me well maybe the subtitles as are a thhing that is being loaded outside the game with the program that loads the mod maybe this is why the coding utf ansi does not matter as the notepad++ was already saving in utf8 format and the game was loading the subtitles right

the subtitles was being coded in utf-8 but even changing to ansi does nothing

UTF-8 isn't a code page, it's a Unicode data format. And you should NOT have been using it. SS2 uses plain 8-bit strings.