Schrödinbug.

Oof. Should have looked at the SCP keypad helper. Hooking into KeypadDone is how it adds playing an error beep when the wrong code is entered.
function OnKeypadDone() {
local mCode = message().code;
local code = GetProperty("KeypadCode");
if (mCode == code) {
SetData("Opened", true);
playSuccess();
}
else {
Sound.PlaySchemaAmbient(self, "no_invroom");
}
}

There was one in engineering that didn't work. I believe he fixed that with this version.

yeah, unless there is a ton of clutter, topics are just moved from Engineering to Modifications. but this is not set in stone, so if the mod author wants to start a new one, sure..

The issue with this particular mod is that there's barely any practical use case for its primary function. It's pretty much only useful for players who:
- Have all the keypad codes memorized,
- And lack the self control to not enter codes before finding them,
- But somehow do have the will to seek out and install a mod to stop themselves.

So yeah. If you want better uptake, I'd rebrand this as something like "Keypad Enhancement Mod", touting the HUD display of found codes as the main feature, because people like mods that add functionality instead of taking it away. Then maybe offer variants with and without the anti-cheesing function.

Also only offer the most current version for download, and PM a mod to roll over the download count when you update.

Also also, was this thread moved directly over here from Engineering? It's usually a better idea to create a new, uncluttered thread when going "live" with a mod.

This mod has way less downloads than the peanut-butter-and-bricks interface mod, so there's that.

So has anyone actually had a chance to play this since the new version?

I guess no news is good news, but it's somewhat frustrating as a mod author to have lots of people giving feedback when something doesn't work, only for everyone to go silent when a fix comes around - how am I supposed to know if the fix actually works if everyone stops talking about it?

Life of a software developer, I guess.

it would probably be better to remove v1.2, as we don't really support outdated mod combos. so whoever has b4 with the corresponding mods is recommended to finish the current game in progress, and then just update everything to the latest build (b5/v1.3 in this case).

If you have technical feedback, or gameplay ideas, or other feedback to offer, I really appreciate it. But I don't see the purpose of your post other than to point out that you can't hack keypads. Umm... Yes. You couldn't hack keypads in vanilla either (except for a few, which are all still hackable with this mod). The only thing you CAN'T do is memorise the passwords, which has absolutely nothing to do with hacking and everything to do with metagaming, reduction of which is entirely the purpose of this mod.

If by "hacking" you actually mean "guessing" well...Lets see here. The majority of codes in the game are 5 digits. That gives you a 1/10000 chance of guessing with 1 attempt. This is realistically a non-factor when it comes to the "gameplay feel" of System Shock 2. In order to guess a code, a player would have to be astronomically lucky. Even with 3 attempts per code, you are very likely to complete the entire game without ever guessing a correct passcode. The only possible exception is the 00000 code, but that's already been discussed to death in this thread and I stand by my original theory - it's supposed to be hacked, given that the hacking information kiosk is right next to it and it's the first hackable panel most players will find in the game, so the 00000 code seems more like an oversight than a deliberate code choice. But even if codes were supposed to be guessed, having the player stand around for minutes at a time punching random numbers into a keypad, to me at least, sounds like really awful gameplay design and I respect the developers of System Shock 2 enough to think that they aren't stupid enough to actually design their game around that sort of gameplay. Deus Ex contains many codes which are realistically supposed to be guessed, and in all cases hints are present in the maps. You can guess Maggie Chow's code by her note about Tai-Fung being an invalid passcode. You can guess the key to the Dragon's Tooth Sword based on her birthday, which you find in a datacube. System Shock 2, on the other hand, offers absolutely nothing. There are no code clues whatsoever in the entire game. There is no puzzle to solve. Instead we have people suggesting guessing is a "real" mechanic because it's present in other immersive sims where the developers have actually put in the effort to realise it as a real mechanic. System Shock 2 is NOT comparable to other games in this regard.

In short, I understand you're trying to give your perspective on this kind of mod, but your criticism doesn't seem particularly relevant to the actual mod itself. Your issue seems more like an issue with the vanilla game. If you don't have a technical issue and aren't actually requesting changes on gameplay grounds, then there's probably nothing I can do to really address it inside of the mod.

What?

Eh, just replace the current explicit multi-note syntax with a hard-coded function to scan the range from 5_10 to 5_25 and give the thumbs up if any four are set.

Yeah, I was going to do something similar to this.

I just need to actually get off my ass and do it, I've been too busy modding Deus Ex.

no good, because a hacker can always try to guess if desperate enough.

ummm......

no good, because a hacker can always try to guess if desperate enough.

Note_5_10:"Found art code: [1"
NoteOrder_5_10:"510"
Note_5_11:"Found art code: 10"
NoteOrder_5_11:"511"
Note_5_12:"Found art code: 4"
NoteOrder_5_12:"512"
Note_5_13:"Found art code: 6]"
NoteOrder_5_13:"513"

Note_5_14:"Found art code: [1"
NoteOrder_5_14:"514"
Note_5_15:"Found art code: 10"
NoteOrder_5_15:"515"
Note_5_16:"Found art code: 4"
NoteOrder_5_16:"516"
Note_5_17:"Found art code: 6]"
NoteOrder_5_17:"517"

Note_5_18:"Found art code: [1"
NoteOrder_5_18:"518"
Note_5_19:"Found art code: 10"
NoteOrder_5_19:"519"
Note_5_20:"Found art code: 4"
NoteOrder_5_20:"520"
Note_5_21:"Found art code: 6]"
NoteOrder_5_21:"521"

Note_5_22:"Found art code: [1"
NoteOrder_5_22:"522"
Note_5_23:"Found art code: 10"
NoteOrder_5_23:"523"
Note_5_24:"Found art code: 4"
NoteOrder_5_24:"524"
Note_5_25:"Found art code: 6]"
NoteOrder_5_25:"525"

Well this sucks...

sarge945
So, slightly good news. The keypad is interactable upon making it to Engineering, but it won't open the door when inputting the passcode after grabbing the audio log. And the code doesn't display on the UI under the keypad either.

I went back to check if this is affecting the other keypads on Engineering, but I can make it into Aux Storage 4 just fine.

I hate my life.

So the code definitely displays in your notes, but the keypad doesn't register it?

By the way, the approach used to no-cheese the rec transmitter will absolutely not work anymore in Beta 5, due to a change made to allow the art codes to appear in the quest notes in the order they're found.

How convenient, I even left myself a note in the DML...

//Has No Inherit set, so we need to set this manually
//TODO: Remove this when SCP5 releases
+ObjProp 1181 "Scripts"
{
"Script 3" "sargeRandomKeypad"
"Don't Inherit" true
}

I was not able to reproduce the problem, but I think I know what it might have been.

Anyway, give this a try and let me know how/if it works. To test it, you will need to load a save from before entering engineering.
[No Keypad Cheese TEST.7z expired]

Thanks for the in-depth bug report.

I'll have a look at it over the coming days and hopefully have a fix for it.

Do you mean that the keypad is unusable, or that it simply doesn't open when you type the code?

1.2 is out. If enough people complain, I can re-add the top messages easily, they are simply commented out.

Sorry, @ZylonBane for implementing what is essentially the same features from this mod. I saw your solution in the other thread and just couldn't resist doing a similar thing here.

Keep in mind that there are numerous keypads in Deus Ex with more than 4 digits. They are rare but they do exist.

Yeah, my guess is they couldn't find a good way to make a keypad work with a controller, so scrapped it. I actually like entering codes. It feels more diagetic, makes the world more immersive, and leaves you vulnerable while typing it in, which is awesome.

I just don't like how cheesable they are, hence this mod. I could have easily converted keypads into essentially "buttons" but chose not to for the reasons above.

I'm pretty sure that "solution" was just a side effect of trying to make Deus Ex more console-friendly by removing the necessity to manually enter codes.

voodoo47
Yes, the only reason I left it there is to preserve download count. As long as that gets transferred across, I don't mind killing the old version.

Anyone who downloaded 1.0 please download and use 1.1 instead. I made a very stupid mistake and as a result you could get into the medsci2 sub armoury immediately after finding the log next to it.

The fix won't be applied if you have already entered medsci2 in a given playthrough.

Is it possible to disable the inability to type in the code without finding in game and just keep the messages that tell you the code when you're about to put it in?

depending on how skilled the person doing the manual install is. but again, no need to be concerned with that.