self illumination does not seem to do anything.

IIRC you have to have illumination set on the texture in the 3ds model before you can use self illumination. It has to be built into the bin. Then it works.

hey Olfred, would you be able to do this?

as always, my knowledge in this field is extremely limited - but, if I understand things correctly, objects that emit light can also self illuminate (useful, as generally, when something is emitting light, it should be bright as well), but for this to actually work, the model needs to be "self illumination ready". maybe LarryG could fill in the details.

also, no need to rush on this one.

There are only two things you can set in the matierals, one being the illumination, the other one is transparency.

At least six things, actually-- texture, illumination, transparency, shading, double-sidedness, and color.

What they're talking about with the lights is bit of hackishness in the Dark engine-- If an object is set up in the editor to emit light, AND the model of the object has any materials with ILLUM 100, the engine will automagically cause those faces to be self-lit or not depending on whether the light source is turned on or off. This is how, for example, the fluorescent tube lights in SS2 go from light to dark when they turn off.

BSP actually has a command-line option for shifting the location of the converted model.

What I do in this cases is that I add some vertices (which you won't see inside the game) to make the "smaller" model be the same size.
You could also add some polygons and make them transparent.

Oh, wait. There was something left to do for me?
What was it again?

Ah, I kinda thought you would go with the thing ZB suggested.
But I can get to that the next couple of days.

For me newt01.bin was unlit and newt02.bin was the one with the flame.

So here is the newt01.bin which should be working.
(Haven't tested it, currently I have no proper Thief installation)

Did it improve at all?
If not I need to figure out a new way to cheat the engine for Thief.
Since this is based on the model with the flame and I just deleted everything but the topmost part.

Can you see the dimension of the box the model will get ingame and compare that one?
Maybe I can work something out according to that.

ok, try this one.

You people are going to make me bust out BSP, aren't you.