Ha!

I just put up a no spawn mod. But, this looks better. I'll have to go back to the drawing board and tweak the monster generators instead.

I should clarify: some of the monsters are part of the ecology and some are different kinds of objects. For example, the hybrid in the pit with the barrels right outside of R&D is not part of any of those ecology objects. When you start the level, he is there. Once you kill him, he is dead and you will not see him again.

But, after you clear the level, those monsters that keep on appearing in the hallways are generated by the ecology objects. You may have noticed that you won't see any shotgunners when you first clear medsci1, but once the ecology objects kick in, you will start to see them roaming the halls.

I couldn't figure out a way to make those spawners generate just one time and then stop after you kill them. But, I didn't try every possibility. The editor lets you adjust the following:

ObjProp "Ecology"            // type sEcologyInfo              , flags 0x0000 , editor name: "Script: Ecology"
{
"Period" : float
"Normal Min" : int
"Normal Max" : int
"Normal Rand" : int
"Alert Min" : int
"Alert Max" : int
"Alert Recovery" : float
"Alert Rand" : int
}

Period is how long the clock runs before they appear. Setting it to a ridiculously high number means they never will (unless you are the kind of guy who likes to hang around medsci for 100 hours after you clear it). I'm not sure of the specifics on the other settings. Also, if I have it right, the clock doesn't start until the other conditions of the ecology get met.

I gave Normal Max a try - setting it to 1 - but that didn't seem to affect the spawn rate. It may have something to do with how many monsters can be alive at the same time from that ecology. Set the min to 10 and maybe it will throw 10 of them at you at the same time. Or maybe it does something else. I'm just not motivated enough to keep on playing with it enough to figure it out.

Setting the period to 0 won't work - that just makes them spawn continuously. But, setting it to a very high number, like 100000 does the trick.

An easier way to get all the ecology objects in a level is to use Find Object (F3), then type in -975. That will bring up the Object Hierarchy Editor. Click Export / Export Selected to save the file. Open the file with a text editor and look for the Property "Script: Ecology" section. The one for medsci1 looks like this:

Property "Script: Ecology"
{
An Ecology (71): { 15.00; 0; 0; 0; 2; 2; 120.00; 0}
An Ecology (78): { 10.00; 0; 0; 0; 2; 2; 120.00; 0}
An Ecology (97): { 15.00; 0; 0; 0; 2; 2; 120.00; 0}
An Ecology (103): { 15.00; 0; 0; 0; 2; 2; 120.00; 0}
An Ecology (109): { 15.00; 0; 0; 0; 2; 2; 120.00; 0}
An Ecology (1147): { 10.00; 0; 0; 0; 1; 1; 120.00; 0}
An Ecology (1187): { 120.00; 1; 2; 3; 0; 0; 0.00; 9}
An Ecology (1314): { 120.00; 1; 2; 5; 0; 0; 0.00; 0}
} // 8 object(s)

There's your object numbers for the dml of that level. Of course, you would have to do the same for each level.

But, the level gets very boring without the spawns. This method not only eliminates the respawning, it also eliminates the initial spawn of those monsters.

Did anything come of Salk's plans to include a spawn control in the SCP?

Great!

Thanks, voodoo47.

Sounds right.

If somebody beasts me to it, all the better. Otherwise I'll try and find some time to learn things myself...

Well, thanks... I will see what I can do. Right now I am also working on a modification for Baldur's Gate which is in Beta Stage but after that, I might try and see if I can tackle this...

if you mean the original author(s), no, probably not.

if it's just retouching the levels, then yeah, that's grunt work, as long as you can fire up the editor and load a level, know how to move objects and modify their props, fix textures and brushes, and reprocess once everything is done, you are set and ready (rule of thumb is that if I can do it, pretty much anyone can). the SCP readme/changelog includes about 80% of such level changes, feel free to open it up and start reimplementing.

the gamesys is a completely different thing though - the changes were extensive, and the changelog is a mess. I could post it I suppose, so you would be able to import the most important fixes.

vulchor, you might find interesting what Kolya wrote about respawning here:

https://www.systemshock.org/index.php/topic,12.0.html

I am fiercely against respawning as game design (an opinion that started quite a debate here: http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128913) but most fans would say that respawning in System Shock 2 is an inseparable factor which contributes heavily to the success of the game itself.

Maybe I'll hold off until that big project is finished up.  I won't enjoy this game the way I want to until these are finished up.  I'm not able to enjoy it like I did when I was a teenager and it was first released.  I'm looking for a different type of playthrough, one full of mystery and suspense, but also of accomplishment and breathing easy.  I can have that experience that I want to badly once spawning can be disabled, but still have all the benefits of the community patches, fixes, rebalancing, and graphical updates.

Too bad, too, because I was really loving how the game looks now and how it responds after installing all of the mods recommended over on GOG by Voodoo.

So ADaoB 030 has been around for quite some time now.  Can someone please update this with the latest version of ADaoB?  There are some fairly significant updates, and I'm really eager to give this game another playthrough (its been over a decade for me) but I really want the ability to control spawns so I can take my time and appreciate different aspects of the game.

So do I, pal.

Since a few people had reported problems with this mod (shotgun crash, doors not opening) I made some general changes that may improve these.
I repacked UARMM so it doesn't use a "mod" folder anymore, added a current stable NVScript.osm and the multiplayer compatible medsci1.mis that miracle.freak had provided above separately.
Nothing was deleted, I moved a bunch of files into a "UARMM Docs" folder though and renamed the old versions to NVScript.osm~old and medsci1.mis~old. I kept the downloads number and updated the version number to 1.15. I hope that's alright with you, Miracle.

other door, other map. no way.

there is no way the dmls can mess with doors.

//as no door dmls exist for that particular map.

Unified&Revamped may not be compatible with the changes introduced by 2.4 and the SS2Tool (misdml directory). Also, the mod manager should not be used anymore as it does not work with the 2.4 framework. A new version is underway but not finished at the moment.

The torrents are never dead, just badly seeded by greedy little buggers.
Anyway I attached the archive to the first post.

So its necessary to replace every single texture manually and align them all? You cant blame the man for that...

So the only way I can get the changes from straylight 3.0 is to wait until miracle freak incorporates 3.0, or is there any way I can do it myself?

I'm planning a LAN with SS2, and I've been scurrying around the site collecting some choice mods. This mod has Straylight ADaoB 2.9, but the current version is 3.0. If I install this mod mod first  (using mod manager), then install the new straylight will it work?

so im glad that i´ve sweeten your night
good night too

that...was...so...

head--->table

thx for helping a noob idiot

nice feature then^^

edit: videocard never has been overclocked. when i deactivate the mod it works again.

that means you also have no idea then?
bummer.
thx for help anyway

hello there...

nice mod, but i have those strange 5 red boxes around my crosshair when im entereing the VB...every mod has been disactivated and so on...is it a bug or a videocard error?

hopefully