gunslinger12
I've been playing with the beta 1.21B and I found 4 Toxin A containers on deck 3, which is great. Anecdotally, I seem to be finding more things on the floor in general this time, which may mean that they fell through the floor on version 1.20 playthroughs. Could just be my bias though. Thanks again for this fantastic mod.

we wouldn't want it any other way.

welcome to SS2 modding, where your mod doesn't matter because it's not SHTUP.

I might make you a custom version

This is nice..   SS2 developers / modders are the best     :l

It's very easy to lower the chances in the dml. I might make you a custom version

I have found the issue

The Toxin A vial is supposed to be here, but for some reason it seems to have fallen through the floor for you and was at some ridiculous Z coordinate (-12537625375367 or something).

You can fix this in your savegame using

summon_obj Anti-Annelid Toxin
Honestly, I don't know how this was even possible. Objects are supposed to "bump" themselves into position, and for some reason this one seems to have failed.

I will test this further and maybe adjust some things.




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It would be much easier if you zipped them

:l  But would be greater if the player would encounter shotgun-hybrids for first time in med / sci 2 even with randomizer on - in compliance to ascending difficulty curve. Its a bit over the top encountering  hybrids with shotgun when just having a wrench.... Especially for new players.

You can already experience Shotgun Hybrids in the original game with just the wrench, as they can naturally respawn from the ecology in that level. It's rare but it does happen.

I could reduce the chance of shotgun hybrids in that map.

BUT now here is the problem: I have found only 3 toxin-vials instead of the usual vanilla-5.


I've searched every nook&cranny of all hydro subdecks 2 times to be sure...   

Please send your save. This shouldn't be happening.

Also that hybrid (Turnbull?) at the end of Hydroponics A when trying to get back into the airlock didn't carry any vial. Wasn't she having one in inventory in vanilla? i don't remember. Anyways, there isn't enough toxin now, just for info.

No, she only carries a log.

Yes.

• Enemies are randomised to similar ones, new strategies may be required! Care has been made to make sure the lore is followed.

Update: I have given this a test with SCP b5 and it seems to work perfectly fine.

The only possible issues are if some object IDs have changed, but so far I haven't found any that are significant.

If anyone is playing this with b5, let me know if you find anything that isn't randomised that you believe should be.

done. no previous version of lite, it seems.

Ah, that's right... it must have been after you go back to Ops for SHODAN.

That would explain things, my memory tells me I didn't add any rumblers, but you'd have to check to be absolutely sure.

Isn't there a tool to diff two mission files in these technologically advanced days? Then you would know if ecologies were modified pretty damn fast.

Rumblers aren't allowed to spawn on ops, they aren't in the enemy pool until command, so I think secmod is doing it's own thing

@ThiefsieFool do you add rumblers to ops at all? Specifically ops4?

okay, I just checked.

Secmod 3 places a Cyborg Assassin and an Assault Bot at the top of the command2 elevator

I finished my run with Secmod and Randomizer and it was very enjoyable.

I was worried there would be some issues with key items at first, and there were times such as in Hydro where finding the vials of Toxin-A were a bit hairy, but no true issues were found. I mentioned this earlier but after using Secmod for so long, I could identify what certain containers would have, and it was a pleasant change of pace to actually search containers that previously would have contained nothing and then actually find something new.

I'm not sure if this part was touched by your mod (I think it just moves things around, right?) but I felt lower on resources than normal, which was nice. I don't know if that was the latest Secmod being rebalanced RE: loot tables or not, but as an example, I was swimming in AP rounds whereas I was struggling with standard rounds which is the inverse of how things usually are. Keep in mind that I am a very thorough explorer and I can say I had a little bit  more than "enough" supplies to keep going, although I rarely bought Replicator items, which was disappointing. Still did, but not as much as I would have hoped I'd have needed to.

That last point brings me to some suggestions. Ideally, things would be a bit more random... this might be a hot take, but I'd really like the Randomizer to err on the side of giving you very few supplies so that playthroughs can be made or broken by the Randomizer. The description of this mod says that only existing items are moved, none are added. IMO, it should go a bit further than that -- I want to start sweating when I realize that my last playthrough at a similar point, I had X amount of ammunition and I currently don't.

Second point: some of the enemy spawns could be manipulated by saving before a level transition and loading if the subsequent spawns were not ideal. I am, of course, guilty of doing this. I suspect that this is unavoidable, but I know nothing. Furthermore, some parts were easier than with vanilla Secmod such as certain later areas normally being patrolled by Assault bots rather than the normal Rumbler spawns. Assault bots can be more easily cheesed with their fusion cannon than Rumblers can and so there were times when I was disappointed with the spawns because those hard moments that were guaranteed in Secmod are now up to chance, like the elevator up to the Bridge on Command -- when it was just Secmod, it was always staffed with an Assault and Security bot, and this time, it had a Cyborg Assassin and an Assault bot. I mean, it's fine, and I realize the potential for the balance pendulum swings both ways, but I just figured I'd mention it. I like that the enemies are randomized, though, so don't get me wrong. I'd rather have it than not.

Overall, great mod. Injected some much-needed variation for me and it will stay in my load order forever.

Yeah it will only work for new ones. May possible even require a new map.

I'm still a bit fuzzy on the finer details of exactly how Dark works here, but from my understanding, when ranged enemies are created, they get an AIProjectile. They essentially create the object they are going to be launching at the player. This object is usually created at the 0,0,0 point in a map, and is switched on and moved when they fire.

For some reason, when I was replacing the enemies, these projectiles at 0,0,0 would become visible (specifically only with Secmod for some reason, I still don't understand why), so I had to use a bit of a hack to make them invisible. In this case, I disabled the particle group for them, which seems to get automatically turned on again when they fire. So far so good. Works fine.

But for some additional reason, this would break the Hybrids shotgun projectile, which are already hidden using RenderType 1, so I had to add an additional check to only disable the particle group if the RenderType is 0 (Render Normally).

This definitely feels like I am hacking the engine and making it do things it doesn't want to do, but everything should be okay, hopefully. This is why we have betas I guess.

sarge945

Thanks, this was extremely useful for discovering the issue.

Shotgun Hybrids fixed now.

Fun fact: Disabling the ParticleGroup for a projectile (which was part of the "floating objects at 0,0,0 fix" in B2) also makes Secmod completely explode. Who knew?

1.2 Beta 3:
- Fixed broken Shotgun Hybrids in Secmod
- Added Missed Psi Hypo in medsci1 bulkhead

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Can you send me a save game where it's broken? As well as ss2.log from the same session?

I want to get to the bottom of this. I must solve it!

So is it all working now? My guess is Rebirth Patch was doing something funky.

see whether you can replicate the issue with just an unmodified Secmod active, nothing else.

just to confirm, unmodified Secmod, no other mods loaded?

yes, their shotguns can break, then they should turn to melee.

and Secmod Rebirthpatch out as mentioned.

Attached is my modlist.

You're using a very outdated version of 400.